You are SO right, FactFinder!! At least the Pope shows his face and waves to his people every once in a while...
Anne Marie 1925
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What's in it for the Governing Body? How about this?
by Mickey mouse inon another forum, someone recently started a thread asking what sort of lifestyle the watchtower elite enjoy.
it prompted me to do a little digging.
when the leaflet 'dress and grooming for visitors touring bethel' was published a few years ago, i thought the room below looked familiar.
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What's in it for the Governing Body? How about this?
by Mickey mouse inon another forum, someone recently started a thread asking what sort of lifestyle the watchtower elite enjoy.
it prompted me to do a little digging.
when the leaflet 'dress and grooming for visitors touring bethel' was published a few years ago, i thought the room below looked familiar.
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Anne Marie 1925
Well, since Rutherford got to live in a beautiful mansion, Beth Sarim, which was built with the Depression-Era dollars earned off the backs of the colpourters (sellers of religious books), it is not surprising at all.
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Africa Investment Summit 2012 and Watchtower
by TJ Curioso inover the next 19 days, 20 and 21 march 2012, at one whitehall place (london), a meeting will take place for large fund investors.
this meeting will target investment on the african continent in real estate, alternative energy, infrastructure, "hedge funds",commodities, venture capital, foreign exchange market, etc .... africa investment summit 2012, is the name of the conference.. http://www.venues-london.co.uk/venues/one_whitehall_place/.
guess who will be represented there?
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Anne Marie 1925
page 80:
"HISTORY OF FREEMASONRY
1) Babylonian and Egyptian mystery cults
2) Cabalists mystery religion
3) Gnostics mystery religion (secret knowledge)
4) Alchemy (Pre-Islamic sorcery)
5) Assassin cult (first mind-control cult)
6) Templars
7) Rosicrucians
8) Ignatius Loyola and the Jesuits
9) Masonry; operative and speculative
10) Grand Orient of France
11) Fusion of the Twin Pillars
12) Modern Freemasonry
"There are five stages of Occultic and Satanic progression in Masonry:
1) Adoption-Fellowship with Lucifer
2) Illumination-Lucifer initiation
3) Conversation-Communion with the dead
4) Congress-Marrying with the dead
5) Union-Perfect possession by Lucifer
"When an individual progresses into these levels, he becomes involved with blood rites and sacrifice, and, believe it or not, child molestation and child sacrifice. (Exposing the Illuminati From Within by Bill Schnoebelem, former member of the Illuminati)
"According to Albert Mackery in the Masonic Encyclopedia, Masonry claims that its founding fathers are" Tubalcain (from the accursed lineage of Canaan, Nimrod, Hiram, the King of Tyre, and Hiram Abif. In addition, prominent members over the years were men like Jacques DeMolay, Leister Crowley (two of history's most sadistic sexual perverts), Dr. Theodore Reuss, Albert Pike, and Alex Sanders, all of whom were Satanists, deeply involved in the occult. In addition, Albert Pike, leader of Merican Masonry, wa the originator of the Ku Klux Klan. His counterpart in Europe, Giuseppi Mazzini formed the Italian Mafia, an acronym for "Mazzini Autorizza Furti, Incendi, Avvelenamenti (Mazzini authorizes thefts, arson, and poisoning.) What can we expect from a secret society of such men? (Masonry, Beyond the Light, pg. 192)
"...I feel it is important to understand the degree of Freemasonry's UNCHRISTIAN and ANTICHRIST position. In my research (the author's) I read books and articles which claimed that the name of Jesus Christ is not to be spoken in Masonic meetings. (Masonry, Beyond the Light, pg 130) One writer even claimed that Masonic books do not contain the name. I was able to locate the Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, Revised Edition 1, 1924, compliled by Albert G. Mackey, a 33rd degree Mason, and published by the Masonic History Company. this encyclopedia contains numerous pages under the name 'Jehovah' and extensive information under the name 'Hiram Abif,' who is the Masonic messiah. THERE IS NO LISTING, WHATSOEVER, UNDER THE NAME JESUS, JESUS CHRIST, or YESHUA!
"This secret anitichrist organization has permeated our entire society. (Author then showed numerous Masonic symbols that he found on businesses even in his hometown of Walnut Grove, and nearby Courtland, California, which I am unable to scan for this site)
"...The problem is that over 99 percent of all Masons, even many high-ranking ones, have no idea what Freemasonry is all about. On the surface it seems like a wonderful philanthropic organization with a lot of nice people in it. That's the way I (the author) felt about the Watchtower until I was forced to investigate it. If you involved with any exclusive fraternity, society, club, organization, or church, just CHECK IT OUT; but not by reading its own literature.
"Freemasonry has 'spawned,' literally been the 'mother' to, many occultic and mystical religions such as Rorsicrucianism, Mormonism, christian Science, Jehovah's Witneses, the Wiccas, and hundreds of less-known groups. In addition, the 'Shriners' are the Muslim branch of Freemasonry. These groups are the 'daughters' of Freemasonry. (Revelation 17:5)
"The Watchtower Society and Mormon Chruch were built upon a Masonic foundation, becoming other secret societies, with the same false claim of being 'Christian,' as Masonry. There are also financial connections..." (And then it goes on into the beginning quote from the same book.)
(Quotes taken from, "The Armageddon Cult," by Daniel LeEarl Hall, pages 80-82)
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Africa Investment Summit 2012 and Watchtower
by TJ Curioso inover the next 19 days, 20 and 21 march 2012, at one whitehall place (london), a meeting will take place for large fund investors.
this meeting will target investment on the african continent in real estate, alternative energy, infrastructure, "hedge funds",commodities, venture capital, foreign exchange market, etc .... africa investment summit 2012, is the name of the conference.. http://www.venues-london.co.uk/venues/one_whitehall_place/.
guess who will be represented there?
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Anne Marie 1925
coninuing from "The Armageddon Cult"...
"Illuminati families do not care about the beliefs of religions or organizations they intertwine with. In Rusell's case, the Rothschilds had community, as both were Jews and Zionists. However, the Rothschilds, one of the worlds richest families, are not Orthodox Jews or Christians, and are financially involved with the Roman Cathoilic Church, the Russian Orthodox Chruch, Jewish Synagogues, the World Council of chruches, Federal Council of Churches of Christ, the National Council of Chruches, the Mormon church, and mumerous major Protestant denominations. (The Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol. 2, pg. 497; The Occult Philosophy, pg. 82; Mormonism and the Magic World View, pg. 142; Bloodlines of the Illuminati, pg. 335-360; The Illuminati Formula, C. Wheeler)
"These organizations provide for the free movement of billions dollars, without taxes or government intervention.
"The Watchtower Society has an annual meeting, and people attend as 'proxies' for others. Who are these members? Here is a picture of this event: (unable to scan photo of event which looks much like an average Circuit Assembly of Jehovah's Witnesses)
(Shown in attendance:)
"Lloyd Barry, Govening Body member and Rhodes scholar, presided at many of these (annual financial meetings) until his death in 1999. Rhodes was was a prominent Freemason, and the Rhodes program is only for Masons, designed to train them in the furtherance of Masonic goals.
"Who controls the three newly-formed corporations, The Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, The Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Kingdom Support Services? And who controls the New Youk, Pennsylvania, England, Canada, The WTBTS of New Jersy and Florida, The Valley Farms Corporation, and the 100 subsidiary corporations operating under the Watchtower Society?
"Researchers claim that prominent Masons and Illuminati own the Watchtower Society, having financed it from its very beginning, and not only make billions, but pass billions of dollars through it, undetected and untouched.
"According to the court case of 'Russell vs. TheEagle newspaper, the Watchtower Society has always used 'dummy' corporations, such as the Tower Publishing Co., to siphon off money, buy properties, and developement schemes. Tow of those were named in the court testimony as The US Investment Co., LTD. and the United Cemeteries Corporation. (Visions of Glory, by Barbara Harrison) It is claimed by one writer that the reason Russell had such connections was that the Russell family and his wife's family were part of the Illuminati bloodlines. (Bloodlines of the Illuminati)
"The book, Bloodlines of the Iluminati, on page 132, has a picture of Brigham Young wearing his Masonic pin. Most, if not all, of the Mormon Church leaders and Mormon Apostles have been Freemansons. Bill Schnoebelem, a former Illuminati, stated that he was required to become a Mormon in order to progress in the Illuminati. Early Bible Students also wore Masonic pins with thecross and crown.
"The question arrises at this point: What has the Watchtower Society and the Mormon chruch said about Freemasonry over the years?
"In his early sermons, Russell made many references to Masonry, none of them derogatory. An analysis of those early sermons shows them to be pruely 'Masonic' sermons with a touch of Christianity. While the Watchtower Society has railed against the Christian Churches, lambasting them, and prophesying their destruction at the hands of God in every book and magazine for 120 years, they have NEVER made one statement of any consequence against the occultic order of Freemansonry!
"In Russell's early sermons, he referrred to his 'Mason Brothers,' and the International Bible Students as 'the highest order of Masonry.'
"I believe (author speaking) this explains the occultic subliminal pictures in many of the Watchtower Publications. (Unable to scan photos of examples) Sadly, neither have some of the Christian Churches taken a stand against the occultic aspects of Freemasonry. One of the reason is that, even like most Masons, they don't know anything about the origins, practices, or goals of Masonry.
"These revelations explain whay so many things are wrong with the Watchtower Society, including the laguage that the use..."
(quotation taken from "The Amageddon Cult," by Daniel LeEarl Hall, pages 82-84)
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Africa Investment Summit 2012 and Watchtower
by TJ Curioso inover the next 19 days, 20 and 21 march 2012, at one whitehall place (london), a meeting will take place for large fund investors.
this meeting will target investment on the african continent in real estate, alternative energy, infrastructure, "hedge funds",commodities, venture capital, foreign exchange market, etc .... africa investment summit 2012, is the name of the conference.. http://www.venues-london.co.uk/venues/one_whitehall_place/.
guess who will be represented there?
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Anne Marie 1925
The following is from the book, The Armageddon Cult, by ex presiding overseer of Jehovah's Witnesses, (publised in 2000), Daniel LeEarl Hall:
"The Watchtower Society has always claimed that Russel financed the entire operation (of the Watchtower) from the sale of his clothing stores. But other works state that he simply closed the stores. The American Encyclopedia of Biographies, 1968, states, 'Russell sold shirts to make a living until he got his first congregation.' The Russell family were likely wiped out by the Great Potato Famine o 1845 in Ireland. Destitute, the Russell family and one-eighth of the Irish People left Ireland, most of them coming to America. The didn't close the clothing stores until 1883. (1870 Census of Pittsbugh, Ward 4, page 98)
"Uncovered documents, and a court case in Switzerland, prove that Russell was successful in his effort to gamin Jewish financial backers. He was financed by wealthy Masons and Jews, in particular, the Rothschild's, through B'nai B'rith, (a secret Zionist organization), and other prominent individuals who may control the Watchtower Society to this day. (Old German Fracture Newspaper, 1922. See Appendix C.) Early Watchtower articles spoke of the large world tours by Russell and his giving away millions of dollars worth of literature. The Watchtower Society distributed a Yiddish periodical, Di Stemme, for free. Neither the Watchtower Society nor Russell had tthe funds to do this. The January 1, 1911 Watchtower, page r, says the distribution was aided 'by Jewish journals interested in the message.'
"Some may wonder why the Rothschilds' and Jewish organizations would support Russell and the early Watchtower Society. Here are some of the reasons:
1) They were both Jews, and many in the Jewish organizaitons were also Masons.
2) They were both Zionists. Russell wrote letters from Palestine to Baron Rothschild in regard to his Zionist ideas. Russell was still preaching his Zionist message on June 12, 1911 in St. Louis, Missouri; 'Zionism, The Hope of the World.' (Mormonism & The Magic World View, pg. 209; TheWatchtower & The Masons, pg. 177)
3) The Watchtower was built upon Masonry, the Old Testament, and Isaiah 43:10. It is, just like Masonry, Judaism restored, with all the rules and regulations of Judaism. It functions today under the standards of the Old Law Covenant.
4) The Watchtower demoted Jesus and attacked Christianity from its very inception, but never attacks masonry or modern-day Judaism." (to be continued...)
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"Overlapping generation" explanation - TRANSCRIBED EXTRACT from Friday's talk (DC 2011-12)
by AnnOMaly ini thought this would be easier to examine if written down:.
god's kingdom will soon come.
so we know that god's kingdom will soon come.. .
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Anne Marie 1925
As long as they keep swallowing it, they'll keep shoveling it...
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I've Decided That It'll Be Best For Me To Return To The Kingdom Hall.
by Philadelphia Ponos inafter carefully evaluating the my current life situation, i've come to the conclusion that returning to the hall will be best for me.
i simply just don't fit in with the rest of the world.
i don't drink, smoke, have sex, go to clubs, listen to worldly music, watch movies, or gamble.
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Anne Marie 1925
Some people just need to suffer a little longer...and some just feel more comfortable having every facet of their lives...even their very thought processes...dictated to them.
However, if you would just wait a bit before you rush back to the cult that seems to appeal to you and stop and think a minute... there are many Christian Fellowships that have people just like you...people who also live by Christian values, and people who really enjoy living a clean life according to Biblical principles; you don't have to go to the KH to find them, and you can go to different churches and fellowships and see where you feel most comfortable, and take the time to talk to the pastor or minister!! It certainly cannot hurt!!
And after you have taken the time to check other avenues of "good association," if you still feel the need to go back to the KH, it will be there!!
Take your time, and pray for God to guide you!!
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Is there no hope? (daughter getting baptized)
by camicia ini'm really distraught about the fact my 23 year old daughter is ready to abandon a potential career in writing where her talent lies, and become a jehovah's witness.
i banned the study being held in our home, but it only hurt my relationship with my daughter, who screamed at me "i pay to live here and i'm not hiding, you're sabotaging my relationship with god!
" so i gave in.
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Anne Marie 1925
Dear concerned Mom,
You are absolutely right to be concerned!! The Watchtower Organization is a very powerful one!! It learned subltle mind control techniques, which were practiced and refined on the German brothers back in the 1930s before these tactics where implemented on the rank and file in America.
Watchtower members of today are still subjected to a continuing program of subliminal hypnotic programming; that is why they must get to the meetings or else they almost have a "panic" in their gut; it's like a "fix" that they have to have. That is why even if they don't want to go, the closer meeting time gets, the more the sense of urgency to get there.
The Watchtower atttracts many intelligent people, especialy those with open minds who are logical. It's because the Watchtower has such subtle and clever reasoning and logical wording that takes a student down that yellow brick road all the way to OZ, only they never know until it's too late that it is run by an old man behind the curtain.
Those most vulnerable to the Watchtower's recruiting tactis are those who tend to be co-dependent, have a need for approval, or who may be insecure or feel that "something is missing" in their life. But though it all seems so great in the beginning, once one is baptized, the "Honeymoon" is over; Watchtower members now expect you to "grow up" and do your part in the recruiting work, and they don't hold back on their criticism any longer; the gossip starts and it never, ever, ends!!!
The Watchtower has SO much to hide...especially on the internet, which has so much information on the TRUTH about "The Truth." Just have your daugher look on YouTube under Jehovha's Witnesses+1975.
Another great resource for information is www.freeminds.org It is run by Randall Watters who served at Bethel as a floor supervisor on the publishing floor. He has been helping Jehovah's Witnesses, and those who have left, for over thirty years.
Also, there is a great site with a well of information, and with answers to the most common questions one may have on the Watchtower, and many stories told by ex members who know what they are talking about at www.4jehovah.org
The Watchtower is masterful at blaming anything that they don't like on "Satan." They use him to blame for everything!! Everything is "demonized," and it could even be YOU!! That's why they tell members to "watch out for the internet"!! SATAN runs the internet!! But what's really going on is that the Watchtower is well aware of the information that is out there for anyone to find...information that exposes them for what they are: a cult, pure and simple.
If the Watchtower is TRULY "The Truth," then doing some research on their history should only prove them to be what they claim to be, but if they are not, then research should expose them for what they are.
Truth has nothing to fear from lies; it is only lies that fear the truth. Try to reason with your daughter on THAT one!!
One more thought: If the Watchtower was REALLY "God's" organization, then why have so many THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS left after discovering the truth about the Watchtower?? Are they are really just "wicked" people?? Then why did they join the organization in the first place? Why did most of these who left faithfully serve for many years? And why is it that a large number of those who left elders, circuit overseers, district overseers, and pioneers, and even those who served at Bethel??
A little research can go a long way, and as I've said, if the Watchtower is REALLY "God's" organization, then there should be nothing to fear from researching them...
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WT scars that run deep
by man in black inmy son who is 26 yrs.
old recently confided in my wife and myself that he is having a rough time moving on past the jw mindset.. he was associated with the witnesses for the first 24 years of his life, and he really tried to do the whole witness thing correctly, yet he was and still is a shy person.
now that he has been out for two years, he is having a lot of anger toward people who believe in god.
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Anne Marie 1925
My oldest son was so full of anger, and he was spewing such negatively and just plain nastiness that many times I just could not listen to him, but when there is a deep infection, one that has been festering for a long time, it is going to take a long time for that poison to drain out.
The depth of the damage of trying to come to terms with your life having been a lie, and to try to recover from the "programming" of being in a cult, AND to try to figure out who you REALLY are, while also trying to figure out how to live a normal life is something that we must understand can be very difficult for many...
I would say to just be supportive, and express that though you "get" where he's coming from, there is only so much you can listen to. He has to work through this himself, and all you can do is love him through it.
My son still refuses to believe in God; he's burned out on anything to do with God, or religion, or prayer or even looking at a Bible, because it is all connected to that "cult" prison time of his life, and all the lies and pain that went with it.
Take care of yourself, and know that your son is suffering in a way that you cannot understand...that is why unconditional love is so important; it can't be based upon what WE think or feel one should be like or do. He is working through his lonely pain and personal anger of hurt and betrayal as best he can.
And a loving hug goes a long way...
Anne Marie
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Elder Just Told His Son I Am Sick Of This Religion !! And Reveals His Secret
by Hairyhegoat inthis was a very moving story just posted on another ex jw site please read it's good .
elder reveals his secretjanuary 28th, 2011. by shadow elder, jr.. a few weeks ago, my father and i were out working together in the door-to-door preaching work.
that morning only four of us showed up at the kingdom hall my dad and i, and a married brother and sister.
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Anne Marie 1925
I haven't been on this site in SO long!! Wish I had more energy as I used to; I'm getting too old for this!! (smile) I will try to be more consistant!!